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Various comments as posted by VROC'ers to the
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| GRiZ
#2851 12 January '00 |
From
the Vulcan bible, The book of the prophet Toa; chapter #1 "Oil" :--------------------------------------------------------- And they all hath gathered from near and from afar to hear the gospel spoken by the prophet Toa. After he had spoken, he blessed them, and as they departed, one among them spoke. "Master, how may ye know the proper measure when ye fills thy bike with the oil when ye know not the proper measure?" The crowd all heard the man speak, and they too turned and cried out loudly, "Yea master, how can a man know the proper measure?" Toa was moved to compassion upon them, and he spoke with much wisdom, and with a voice that would cause them all to sit and listen once again.. "Look ye onto thy oil site window. For it will never forsake ye the level of oil in thy engine. It will reveal to thee the mysteries of the correct level of oil for thy engine. "Position thy steed of steel and fire level and fill the engine with the holy oil. Look upon the site window till thy eyes do see that the level has drawn half. "Blessed are those who use the sacred Mobile-1, for surely thy days upon the road will be long and the miles thou shalt travel will be as many as the stars of the night. "Consult ye the wisdom of the words of the prophets written in thy owners manual, so that great may be the years that thou may ride thou steed." ============================== Heh, heh, heh... Ok enough... |
| Tim
#1832 28 June '00 |
This
oil business got me so confused that I called the tech at Spectro Oil
Company yesterday. I told him some guys swear by synthetic, other
like dino, others like the blend. Mind you, this tech works for
Spectro and he could have very easily told me to use straight synthetic
since his company would make more money on me. I was very surprised
by his answer.
This is it... He told me unless you ride your bike every day, you should use dino oil. I asked why. He said that dino (organic) oil stays in the bearings and journals and much better than synthetic when the bike is turned off. He told me synthetic will drip down and run off of the bearing surfaces after a couple of days leaving the bearing high and dry. Then a few days later when you go to start the bike, the bearing is dry and damage is the result. I told him I had heard just the opposite. He said if I didn't believe him, I could run a test by using two large nails. Dip one into dino oil and dip the other into full synthetic. Put them outside and hang them from strings on a branch for a few days. He said the one that was dipped in dino oil will still have a coating of oil on it while the one dipped in synthetic will not only have no oil on it, but it will most likely have a minor coating of rust. He also said that if the clutch plates are at all worn, the ultra-slippery synthetic may cause clutch slippage. He said that this drain-down of synthetic oil is particularly critical in engines with plain bearings (like Vulcans). Harley uses roller bearings and as soon as you start the engine, oil is splashed up on the bearings to keep them from running dry. So, as a result of this conversation, I am sticking to Spectro motorcycle specific organic oil and I will change it often. I am sure that many guys will strongly disagree with me, but the tech seemed knowledgeable and honest. If you decide you still want to use synthetic, stick with the blend and don't leave the bike idle for long periods of time. |
| Jeff
#1935 20 April '00 |
Although
sludge is something usually associated in cooler-running engines,
combustion by-products present in blowby gasses contaminate the oil as
well as condensation resulting in the formation of sludge deposits. I
agree that synthetics resist this better than conventional oils, it not
uncommon to see both sludge and varnish deposits in test engines using
synthetics. Sludge can also be formed in hotter running engines as
the oil thickens due to oxidation. This is a result of viscosity
breakdown, and is a result of heat. Synthetics can breakdown just
like conventional oils, but again, are certainly more resistant to it.
How can you tell the difference between sludge and varnish? Sludge is a wipeable deposit, meaning if it wipes off, it's sludge. It can range from a thin film to several inches deep. If it doesn't wipe off, it's varnish. Varnish is a thin, translucent deposit ranging from a pale amber to black. I've seen and rated many engines that had both sludge and varnish accumulation that were run on synthetic lubricants. In general, you usually get sludge in cooler running engines, varnish in hotter running engines. We do our best to destroy oil (both ours and our competition) everyday in our engine test lab, and we're pretty good at it! :-) |
| Moxy
#302 19 April '00 |
I
am a Petroleum Engineer in south Louisiana, and my uncle is a marketing
executive with Phillips Petroleum. Through my training, my work, and my
association with my uncle, I think I can speak with confidence concerning
the motor oil issue.
The act of constantly switching from one oil brand to
another has nothing to do with the accumulation of sludge, gum, or
varnish. This is what causes all three of them: Conventional
(non-synthetic) oils are refined products from naturally produced crude
oils. The refining process is not a perfect process in that it is not
possible to remove all of the asphaltines, paraffins, and ash from them.
The highest grade, most pure, conventional oil on the market is Pennzoil.
But even Pennzoil is only 60% lubricant. That means that a whopping 40% of
the product is something other than lubricant that could not be removed
during the refining process. This is the material that chemically reacts
with engine gasses and produces sludge and varnish. This is why you will
never have sludge or varnish in an engine that uses synthetic oil such as
Mobil-1. Synthetic oils are manmade and are 100% lubricant plus a few
non-reactive additives for enhanced stability. There is simply nothing Quaker State oils are notorious for producing varnish! They have some of the lowest quality refined oils on the market. The only way you could do worse is to use one of those recycled motor oils that you can get dirt cheap through WalMart. If you want to truly protect your bike, you have two choices: 1)Use a good Synthetic oil and change it out every 3000 miles. 2) Use a high grade conventional oil or synthetic blend and change it out every 2000 miles which is before the unrefined contaminants can break down and deposit sludge or varnish in your engine. One more thing: The motorcycle oils by Kawasaki, Honda, and others are all very good oils and you can't do wrong by using them. Remember though, that they ARE conventional oils and must be changed often to prevent sludge and varnish. Contrary to what your dealer may tell you, it is not necessary to use a motorcycle oil in your Vulcan. The V-Twin is a low RPM engine and does not require the special zinc additives in motorcycle oils that are needed in the high-revving sport bikes. |
| Sweats
#562 1 March '00 |
"Enthusiast"
magazine - Winter 2000 issue. Page 26. Q. What is different about synthetic oil and is it beneficial for a V-twin? A. Synthetics are made up of long chain hydrocarbons, just like mineral oils. Thd difference is that the molecules in "synthetics" are manufactured (or synthesized as the name implies), rather than refined from nauurally occurring crude oil. The major benefit of synthetic vs. mineral oil base motor oils is that synthetics offer better extreme low temperature fluidity at about -30F, hardly ideal riding conditions. Synthetics can extend oil drains in automobiles. Because the H-D air-cooled V-Twin motor runs under much more severe conditions than your car's engine, we do not recommend extending oil drains. Synthetic motor oils are expensive, and the Motor Company (H-D) has not yet demonstrated that this added expense translates into added benefit for the V-twin rider. Q. What oil should I use if I can't find H-D motor oil? A. If for some reason you are unable to obtain Genuine H-D motor oil, use a heavy duty diesel motor oil, available at truck stops. These are labeled with an API "C" performance category such as "CF-2", "CG-4", etc. If you can get past the H-D marketing scenario, it could be useful information. |
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